Debate is Never Communication & is Stupid: Uncle Brother's Point is To Make People Hate & Fear Each Other

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Undeceiver Dr. Blynd in FUNKTIONARY explains: 

Doggy - Uncle Brother—the condition and conditioning which serves you your problem doubling as your very own ambition. 2) a situation such that the fulfillment of the conditions necessary to achieve a desired result produces its failure. 3) the entity that goes by many names, including bank-monopolized capitalism the Spectacle, the Hall of Mirrors and the Looking Glass society, the Mega-machine, Statism, Global Imperialism Scientific Socialism cooperative federalism, corporate religion, and the phallacy of "progress"—the manifestation and embodiment of the tool of the Wallflower Order. 4) any shrewd trickster. 5) Leviathan's Big Brother. 6) the creators of the source code for the global dis-information "system." 7) Dr. Sam and Mr. Brother. 8) the collective name ascribed to inert abstractions that we have given artificial life-support to and unwittingly sanctioned or accorded superiority over life. Doggy is the cultural conditioning system that maintains its hold over all things and all people, even our minds and opinions, by getting us to be informers and informants on each other, by getting us to be the trustees in and of their mind prism prison. Doggy is any and all conditioning, often self-imposed and when necessary involuntarily inflicted, that promotes your belief in illusion (both grand and petit) as a way of life. Doggy creates the conditions wherein an undetected and undeclared war is waged on us directly through us. The result of this on-going psychological war is that you, like many others, willingly destroy your freedom without the possibility of recognizing or overcoming the oppressions of control. The belief in illusion is the agreement to oppression. Doggy is the violent programming we have sustained all of our lives. Doggy wants you to just barely survive—but not to be fully alive—wants you to remain barely alive, but not to fully live. Say Uncle! Bad Doggy. (See: "THEY," Hidalgo, Vampires, Society, Thoughtforms, Crimethlnc., Beasthood, Corporate State, Governments, Uncle Sam Wallflower Order, Cell, The Collective, Fishbowlers, Big Brother & "Greater System")

The break down of the following Zen koan by Osho Rajineesh may provide further understanding: 

There is an old tradition in some Japanese Zen temples

that if a wandering monk can win an argument

about Buddhism

with one of the resident monks, he can stay the night.

If not, he has to move on.

There was such a temple in northern Japan run by

two brothers.

The elder brother was very learned

and the younger brother was rather stupid, and he had

only one eye.

One evening a wandering monk came to ask

for lodging.

The elder brother was very tired

as he had been studying for many hours,

so he told the younger brother to go and take

the debate.

“Request that the dialogue be in silence,” said

the elder brother.

A little later the traveler came to the elder brother

and said,

“What a wonderful fellow your brother is.

He has won the debate very cleverly,

so I must move on. Good night.”

“Before you go,” said the elder brother,

“please relate the dialogue to me.”

“Well,” said the traveler,

“first I held up one finger to represent Buddha.

Then your brother held up two fingers

to represent Buddha and his teaching.

So I held up three fingers

to represent Buddha, his teaching, and his followers.

Then your clever brother shook his clenched fist

in my face to indicate that all three came from one realization.”

With that the traveler left.

A little later the younger brother came in

looking very distressed.

“I understand you won the debate,”said the

elder brother.

“Won nothing,” said the

younger brother,

“that traveler is a very rude man.”

“Oh?” said the elder brother,

“Tell me the subject of the debate.

“Why,” said the younger brother,

“the moment he saw me, he held up one finger

insulting me by indicating that I have only one eye.

But because he was a stranger I thought I would

be polite,

so I held up two fingers congratulating him on having

two eyes.

At this, the impolite wretch held up three fingers

to show that we had but three eyes between us,

so I got mad and threatened to punch his nose -

so he went.”

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[Debate is Stupid & is Never Communication] "Trading Dialogue for Lodging" - Osho Rajineesh

There is an old tradition in some Japanese Zen temples

that if a wandering monk can win an argument

about Buddhism

with one of the resident monks, he can stay the night.

If not, he has to move on.

There was such a temple in northern Japan run by

two brothers.

The elder brother was very learned

and the younger brother was rather stupid, and he had

only one eye.

One evening a wandering monk came to ask

for lodging.

The elder brother was very tired

as he had been studying for many hours,

so he told the younger brother to go and take

the debate.

“Request that the dialogue be in silence,” said

the elder brother.

A little later the traveler came to the elder brother

and said,

“What a wonderful fellow your brother is.

He has won the debate very cleverly,

so I must move on. Good night.”

“Before you go,” said the elder brother,

“please relate the dialogue to me.”

“Well,” said the traveler,

“first I held up one finger to represent Buddha.

Then your brother held up two fingers

to represent Buddha and his teaching.

So I held up three fingers

to represent Buddha, his teaching, and his followers.

Then your clever brother shook his clenched fist

in my face to indicate that all three came from one realization.”

With that the traveler left.

A little later the younger brother came in

looking very distressed.

“I understand you won the debate,”said the

elder brother.

“Won nothing,” said the

younger brother,

“that traveler is a very rude man.”

“Oh?” said the elder brother,

“Tell me the subject of the debate.

“Why,” said the younger brother,

“the moment he saw me, he held up one finger

insulting me by indicating that I have only one eye.

But because he was a stranger I thought I would

be polite,

so I held up two fingers congratulating him on having

two eyes.

At this, the impolite wretch held up three fingers

to show that we had but three eyes between us,

so I got mad and threatened to punch his nose -

so he went.”

The elder brother laughed.

All the debates are futile and stupid. Debate as such is foolish, because no one can reach the truth through discussion, through debate. You may get a night’s shelter, but that’s all. Hence the tradition.

The tradition is beautiful. In any Zen monastery in Japan, for many centuries, if you ask for shelter you have to discuss. If you win the debate, you can stay for the night – this is very symbolic – but only for the night. In the morning you have to move on. This indicates that through debate, logic, reasoning, you can never reach the goal, only a night’s shelter. And don’t deceive yourself that the night’s shelter is the goal. You have to move on. In the morning you have to again be on your feet.

But many have deceived themselves. They think that whatsoever they have attained through logic is the goal. The night’s shelter has become the ultimate. They are not moving, and many mornings have passed. Logic can lead to hypothetical conclusions, never to truth. Logic can lead to something which approximates truth, but never to the truth.

And remember, that which approximates the truth is also a lie, because what does it mean? Either something is true or not true; there is no in-between. Either something is true or it is not true. You cannot say that this is a half-truth; there is nothing like that – just like there cannot be a half-circle, because the very word circle means the full. Half-circles don’t exist. If it is half, it is not a circle.

Half-truths don’t exist. Truth is the whole, you cannot have it in fragments, you cannot have it in parts. Approximate truth is a deception, but logic can lead only to the deception. You may have a shelter for the night, just to retire, relax, but don’t make it your home. By the morning you have to move again, the journey cannot end there. Every morning it will begin again and again. Relax in the logic, in the reasoning, but don’t remain with it, don’t become static with it – and continually remember that you have to move.

The tradition is beautiful. So one thing to be understood about the tradition and the meaning; it is symbolic. Second thing: all discussions are foolish, because through the mood of discussion you can never understand the other. Whatsoever he says is misunderstood. A mind which is bent on winning, conquering, cannot understand. It is impossible, because understanding needs a nonviolent mind. When you are seeking how to be victorious, you are violent.

Debate is violence. You can kill through it, you cannot revive through it. You cannot give life through it, you can murder through it. Truths can be murdered through debate, but they cannot be resurrected. It is violence; the very attitude is violent. Really, you are not asking for the truth, you are asking for the victory. When victory is the goal, truth will be sacrificed. When truth is the goal, you can sacrifice victory also.

And truth should be the goal, not victory, because when victory is the goal you are a politician, not a religious man. You are aggressive, you are trying somehow to overpower the other, you are trying somehow to dominate and domineer. And truth can never become a domination, it can never destroy the other. Truth can never be a victory in the sense that you have overpowered the other.

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Osho: Take Yourself Out of the Crowd [To Be Yourself Ignore People Who Want You to Be Something Else]

FREEDOM FROM, FREEDOM FOR

Never think in terms of being free from; always think in terms of being free for. And the difference is vast, tremendously vast. Don't think in terms of from -- think for. Be free for God, be free for truth, but don't think that you want to be free from the crowd, free from the church, free from this and that. You may be able to go far away one day, but you will never be free, never. It is going to be some sort of suppression.

Why are you so afraid of the crowd? ... If the pull is there, then your fear simply shows your pull, your attraction. Wherever you go you will remain dominated by the crowd.

What I am saying is, just look at the facts of it -- that there is no need to think in terms of the crowd. Just think in terms of your being. It can be dropped right now. You cannot be free if you struggle. You can drop it because there is no point in struggling.

The crowd is not the problem -- you are the problem. The crowd is not pulling you -- you are being pulled, not by somebody else but by your own unconscious conditioning. Always remember not to throw the responsibility somewhere on somebody else, because then you will never be free of it. Deep down it is your responsibility. Why should one be so much against the crowd? Poor crowd! Why should you be so much against it? Why do you carry such a wound?

The crowd cannot do anything unless you cooperate. So the question is of your cooperation. You can drop the cooperation just now, just like that. If you put any effort into it, then you will be in trouble. So do it instantly. It is just on the spur of the moment, of spontaneous understanding, if you can see the point that if you fight, you will be fighting a losing battle. In the very fighting you are emphasizing the crowd.

That's what has happened to millions of people. Somebody wants to escape from women -- in India they have done that for centuries. Then they become more and more engrossed in it. They want to get rid of sex, and their whole mind then becomes sexual; they think only of sex and nothing else. They fast, and they will not go to sleep; they will do this and that pranayama and yoga and a thousand and one things -- all nonsense. The more they fight with sex the more they are enforcing it, the more they are concentrating on it. It becomes so significant, out of all proportion.

That is what has happened to Christian monasteries. They became so repressed, just afraid. The same can happen to you if you become afraid too much of the crowd. The crowd cannot do anything unless you cooperate, so it is a question of your alertness. Don't cooperate!

This is my observation: that whatsoever happens to you, you are responsible. Nobody else is doing it to you. You wanted it to be done, so it has been done. Somebody exploits you because you wanted to be exploited. Somebody has put you into a prison because you wanted to be imprisoned. There must have been a certain search for it. Maybe you used to call it security. Your names may have been different, your labels may have been different, but you were hankering to be imprisoned because in a prison one is safe and there is no insecurity.

But don't fight with the prison walls. Look inside. Find that hankering for security, and how the crowd can manipulate you. You must be asking for something from the crowd -- recognition, honor, respect, respectability. If you ask them, you have to repay them. Then the crowd says, "Okay, we give you respect, and you give us your freedom." It is a simple bargain. But the crowd has never done anything to you -- it is basically you. So get out of your own way!

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Osho Rajineesh: All Books Are Dead

OSHO,

THE ZEN MASTER MU-NAN HAD ONLY ONE SUCCESSOR. HIS NAME WAS SHOJU.

AFTER SHOJU HAD COMPLETED HIS STUDY OF ZEN,

MU-NAN CALLED HIM INTO HIS ROOM AND SAID,

"I AM GETTING OLD, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW

YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL CARRY ON THIS TEACHING.

HERE IS A BOOK.

IT HAS BEEN PASSED DOWN FROM MASTER TO MASTER

FOR SEVEN GENERATIONS,

AND I HAVE ALSO ADDED MANY POINTS

ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING.

THIS BOOK IS VERY PRECIOUS,

AND I AM GIVING IT TO YOU TO REPRESENT YOUR SUCCESSORSHIP."

SHOJU REPLIED, "

PLEASE KEEP THE BOOK.

I RECEIVED YOUR ZEN WITHOUT WRITING,

AND I WAS VERY HAPPY WITH IT, THANK YOU."

MU-NAN REPLIED,

"I KNOW THAT,

BUT THIS GREAT WORK

HAS BEEN CARRIED FROM MASTER TO MASTER

FOR SEVEN GENERATIONS,

AND IT WILL BE A SYMBOL OF YOUR LEARNING.

HERE, TAKE THE BOOK."

THE TWO WERE TALKING IN FRONT OF A FIRE,

AND THE INSTANT SHOJU FELT THE BOOK IN HIS HANDS,

HE THRUST IT INTO THE FLAMES.

MU-NAN, WHO HAD NEVER IN HIS LIFE BEEN ANGRY BEFORE,

SHOUTED, "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?"

AND SHOJU SHOUTED BACK,

"AND WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?"

All books are dead, and that is how it should be; they cannot be alive. All scriptures are graveyards, they cannot be anything else. A word, the moment it is uttered, goes wrong. Unuttered, it is okay; uttered, it is falsified by the very utterance.

Truth cannot be said, cannot be written, cannot be indicated in any way. If it can be said, you will attain to truth just by hearing it; if it can be written, you will attain to truth just by reading it; if it can be indicated, you will attain to truth by mere indication. This is not possible, there is no way to transfer truth to you; there exists no bridge. It cannot be given, it cannot be communicated.

But people become addicted to scriptures, books, words, theories, because for the mind it is easy to understand a theory, it is easy to read a book, it is easy to carry a tradition. With anything dead the mind is always the master; with anything alive the mind becomes the slave.

So the mind is always afraid of life; it is the dead part in you. Just as I said that hairs and nails are dead parts of your body, the parts that have died already and that the body is throwing out, so the mind is the dead part of your consciousness. It is the part that has already become dead, and the consciousness wants to get rid of it.

What is the mind? It is the past, the memory, the accumulated experience. But the moment you have experienced the thing, it is dead. Experiencing is in the present, experience is in the past.

Why are you listening to me? Just in the moment, just here and now, it is an experiencing, it is an alive process, but the moment you say, "I have heard," it has become dead, it has become an experience. While listening to me the mind is not there, you are there. The moment the mind comes in it says, "I have understood, I have heard, I know." What do you mean? You mean the mind has taken possession. The word can be possessed by the mind -- anything dead can be possessed by the mind; and only dead things can be possessed. If you try to possess a live thing there are only two ways: either you will not be able to possess it, or you will have to kill it first and then you can possess it. So wherever there is possession, there is murdering, killing.

If you love a person, love in itself is an experiencing, a moment-to-moment flow with no past being carried; the river remains fresh. But the mind says, "Possess this woman, possess this man, because who knows about the future? Possess! She may escape, she may go to somebody else, she may fall in love with someone else. Possess her and block all the ways of escape, close all the doors so she remains always yours." The mind has entered and now this woman will be killed, now this man will be murdered. There will be a husband, there will be a wife, but there will not be two live persons.

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Osho - 'Desire is the greatest drug possible. Heroin, Coke, Crack, Meth are nothing. Desire is the ultimate in drugs'

When an archer is shooting for nothing

He has all his skill.

If he shoots for a brass buckle

He is already nervous.

If he shoots for a prize of gold

He goes blind

Or sees two targets -

He is out of his mind.

His skill has not changed,

But the prize divides him.

He cares.

He thinks more of winning

Than of shooting -

And the need to win

Drains him of power.

If the mind is filled with dreams you cannot see rightly. If the heart is filled with desires you cannot feel rightly. Desires, dreams and hopes - the future disturbs you and divides you. But whatsoever is, is in the present. Desire leads you into the future, and life is here and now. Reality is here and now, and desire leads you into the future. Then you are not here. You see, but still you don't see; you hear, but still you miss; you feel, but the feeling is dim, it cannot go deep, it cannot be penetrating.

That is how truth is missed.

People keep on asking: Where is the divine, where is the truth? It is not a question of finding the divine or the truth. It is always here, it has never been anywhere else, it cannot be. It is there where you are, but you are not there, your mind is somewhere else. Your eyes are filled with dreams, your heart is filled with desires. You move into the future, and what is the future but illusion? Or, you move into the past, and the past is already dead. The past is no more and the future has yet to be. Between these two is the present moment. That moment is very short, it is atomic, you cannot divide it, it is indivisible. That moment passes in the flicker of an eye. If a desire enters, you have missed it; if a dream is there, you are missing it.

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